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Why won’t Starship have an abort system? Should it?! 

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00:00 - Intro
3:05 - How abort systems work
5:25 - Space Shuttle Safety Margins
10:40 - What Made the Space Shuttle so Dangerous?
16:00 - How Starship Will Differ from the Space Shuttle
21:00 - Engine Reliability
30:25 - Starship Abort Options
34:30 - Do Abort Systems Actually Make a Rocket Safer?
38:55 - How to Improve Rocket Safety Without an Abort System
41:50 - Are Launch Abort Systems Necessary for Human Spaceflight
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Zap Gun
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The best learning is done from failure. If it wasn't so ridiculously expensive to build rockets, pushing unmanned tests beyond the limits of the machine would be the very best method of improving its design. After all, you can't really know for sure how something will fail, until you see it fail.
Zap Gun
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43:01 any experienced Kerbal Space Program player: "I don't see the issue here"
quaxenleaf
quaxenleaf Pirms 3 dienām
Don’t apologize for the amount of content you include in your presentation... it’s a lot of work and very thorough...I love your in-depth approach!
Neil Clark
Neil Clark Pirms 3 dienām
I like how you said this at 29:04!
David Vader
David Vader Pirms 6 dienām
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Whos that guy?
Whos that guy? Pirms 6 dienām
"......while it was pressure testing at the launchpad, what if there where people onboard?" Thats the reason its called a TEST
nightlightabcd
nightlightabcd Pirms 6 dienām
People ride on jet liners every day, and they don't have abort systems!
nightlightabcd
nightlightabcd Pirms 6 dienām
After there were suspicions that the wing had been struct, the US military offered to have a satellite fly by to examine the shuttle, but didn't NASA turn down the offer and played down the possible severity of the situation?!
The Drawn Potato
The Drawn Potato Pirms 6 dienām
Falcon one: 1 engine Falcon 9: 9 engone Falcon Heavy: 27 Starship: 10mln
WardeN
WardeN Pirms 7 dienām
You do realise that a 'failure' is actually a success when designing and engineering something, right? It means that you have data to work with. The SN8 was their closest perfect launch yet. The data they get from each 'failure' pretty much means that by the time people are allowed on board, there will be no need for an abort system as every single kink will be ironed out. They're nowhere near to a '1.0' launch. Each launch is to test a certain aspect of the design and anything that they can also test during the main test is a bonus. They're collecting mathematics and physics data. Why do you think crash tests for cars are a thing? If a car has no faults during testing then there's something that they've severely missed. The same goes for anything that is designed and engineered for consumer use.
Samuel Barber
Samuel Barber Pirms 7 dienām
1/200 is still 1/200, I still feel like having an abort system and saving people from that 5% is still saving lives
Anthony Phung
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Jay Leclerc
Jay Leclerc Pirms 8 dienām
At 25:17, we get to see the landing success rate of the “FACLON 9”😂
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Noseyplays Pirms 8 dienām
it does! its explosion.
Swiss 008
Swiss 008 Pirms 8 dienām
In February 16 2021, a booster failed to land as the center engine kinda failed? It had a lost of thrust during the Entry Burn.
Judith Gomez * s
Judith Gomez * s Pirms 9 dienām
j2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TecSanento
TecSanento Pirms 10 dienām
Isn't it en option to create a capsule that just survives the explosion?
Nagarjun Kashyap
Nagarjun Kashyap Pirms 10 dienām
We MUST strive to restore the abortion rights of the starship.
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NNA
NNA Pirms 14 dienām
Cannot the top half, second stage, act as an abort system, for boost phase. Lighting off engines while still attached to booster could be rather exciting, I suppose, as booster top dome takes a hit. Perhaps a bit of heat protection/blast deflector on dome and an open lattice skirt around top of booster to let exhaust gases out. Software to escape from any angle of booster, fly upper stage to gain sufficient altitude and burn/jettison fuel, to where a descent back to landing pad, or a water, can happen. Could second stage can hover above just a few feet above surface of water for an emergency landing, then shut down and let second stage drop, vertically into the ocean, while tipping over onto its side and float there. Figure out a way to perform a modified stage separation, fly up and away and descend back to a landing.
No Man's Land
No Man's Land Pirms 16 dienām
Finally a journalist I actually like and who knows more than the average 5th grader. So refreshing, keep up the great work!
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Timmy Brolin
Timmy Brolin Pirms 18 dienām
The comparison with airliners regarding the flaps and hydralics is not strictly fair. An airliner can land safely without functioning flaps. This has happened several times. Starship can not.
palmbridge
palmbridge Pirms 19 dienām
Great video, interesting factual and enthralling. Thank you.
Javier Garcon
Javier Garcon Pirms 19 dienām
You sound like the same engineers who constructed the "Titanic" Should we add the safety? What are the chances? What are the statistics? Statistics have nothing to do with the killing of one life because one life is worth as much as a million lives. If you can not understand that, then you lack compassion and understanding.
Malachi Wiens
Malachi Wiens Pirms 15 dienām
The difference with the Titanic is that it failed on its very first trip. Everyday Astronaut is suggesting Starships should be flown and reflown to test their reliability and identify design flaws. I think if the Titanic was tested numerous times, enough to gather data and identify points of failure, then the design flaw(s) would have likely been resolved before putting crew on board. That's just my take on it, though.
Matyanson
Matyanson Pirms 19 dienām
Amazing! Can you please talk about alternative (non-rocket) space launches? Maybe some of them could be safer if functional!
syreille sales
syreille sales Pirms 20 dienām
why dont 737s have ejection seats
This Monstrosity
This Monstrosity Pirms 15 dienām
Expensive, heavy, crowded ejection which will lead to abort seats hitting each other and parachutes tangling,plus 80 year old grandma's and 2 year olds can't handle 10 G's, pilots need a lot of abort training
Juan Porto
Juan Porto Pirms 20 dienām
only the head of the starship could have an abort system like dragon
Supreme Groove
Supreme Groove Pirms 20 dienām
They should just use spring loaded abort systems lol..
Torsten Ziegler
Torsten Ziegler Pirms 20 dienām
You can't not always use support wheels! So no abort system is the best part. Viewed this whole episod the second time. Perfect made. Thank you.
A Z
A Z Pirms 20 dienām
12:40 this was buran not shuttle!
Mišel Ciglarić
Mišel Ciglarić Pirms 20 dienām
Sooner or later somebody will die. FAA should mostly have to be concerned abou that.
Jack Whitlock
Jack Whitlock Pirms 15 dienām
People die on planes too
Paul Campbell
Paul Campbell Pirms 21 dienas
It doesn't have an abort system, because it's vapourware and will never work.
goodday3108
goodday3108 Pirms 21 dienas
Oh my god, your videos are so long, because you talk too much. Stop wasting time
Gippo50
Gippo50 Pirms 22 dienām
The big difference with Starship is it is completely reliant on its propulsive landing system. Or more specifically relying on two of two raptor engines relighting exactly when needed during the decent, no time to deploy redundancy measures at that point. This has to be much more risky than the Shuttles, Dragons or even Saturn V's re-entry strategy. Some degree of fail space would absolutely be worth it (especially even this is designed to be the first mass transit spacecraft for humans). Be that keeping all three engines lit during decent and only throttling up those needed for the actual landing manouver or just using (BIG) parachutes . . .
Tony Orabona
Tony Orabona Pirms 23 dienām
I was wondering 3 engines and 1 engine failure 33% of thrust lost ; combined with a risky late retro rocket start; resulted in this crash. But if we had 6 engines working in in a ring. Well If 1/6 engines fails only 17% thrust lost ; there should be enough thrust to land safely. Also we should start retro thrust earlier for more response time to correct for such failures. Well Elon What say you . Ok sure more moving parts more expensive rockets however your Cosmonauts might appreciate the extra padding ;) . And you might save money on fewer rocket ships Lost :(.
Ethan Smit
Ethan Smit Pirms 23 dienām
Man I watch your videos in chapters lol. keep making them though
Andrew York
Andrew York Pirms 23 dienām
Considering the last two landings, maybe they need to look at aborting landings.
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 23 dienām
@Andrew York there are two types of test flights: 1) To show to everyone that i have done working rocket (this should be counted) 2) To test some ideas. This can't be counted, becouse they are not meant to be successful. They are meant as quick way to find where is current weakest point (looks like it's Raptor, not the manouver)
Andrew York
Andrew York Pirms 23 dienām
@Adam Řežábek it's completely fair to count test flights. They show that the current plan doesn't work.
Ja Gil
Ja Gil Pirms 23 dienām
This video focus more on launch abort system, also comparison with airplanes is wrong, an airplane fail/crash at landing does not necessary kill everyone. Starship will.
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 23 dienām
it's not fair to count test flights. Think about it like computer simluation, just more realistic and probably more expansive.
Technophant
Technophant Pirms 23 dienām
I think Spaceship landing will need to be redesigned. SN9 failure was scary. Why didn’t the third engine attempt to light? Why are they pushing it to the last millisecond to turn and light?
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 23 dienām
we don't know why that raptor failed. But it wasn't final Raptor, so it was no big deal
Portal Gael
Portal Gael Pirms 23 dienām
Tim, can you make a video about why solid rocket booster cant be deactivated and if SRBs are really good
Portal Gael
Portal Gael Pirms 23 dienām
@PaštikaMaster thank you!
PaštikaMaster
PaštikaMaster Pirms 23 dienām
You can't deactivate them because the chemical reaction is so quick and powerful. They are good but only as boosters or launch abort system because you can't control them. They are also cheap and have good P/W ratio.
Mae
Mae Pirms 23 dienām
so this vid basically says = just make the falcon 9 safer
Kalevipoeg
Kalevipoeg Pirms 23 dienām
It's funny you should mention failures....hello from the future where another one exploded when landing.
Firya
Firya Pirms 23 dienām
The best part, is the part you don't need. can you make it work without it?
Greg Walker
Greg Walker Pirms 24 dienām
They need one
matthew cremers
matthew cremers Pirms 24 dienām
No because that would make sense
Professor Katze
Professor Katze Pirms 24 dienām
it would probably be a good idea to add one after todays test lol
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 22 dienām
@Ja Gil Falcon 9 us not that reliable. It has around 100 flights, and expirienced couple failures. So it's reliability is surely bellow 99%. Also, crew dragon has not been much proven. Starship will be proven by cargo mission, becouse it's second stage and a spacecraft simultaneously
Ja Gil
Ja Gil Pirms 23 dienām
@Adam Řežábek we've already seen this with crew dragon, they did not ditched parachutes for propulsive landing. And they kept the launch abort even though falcon 9 has been proven to be reliable. NASA loves extra safety and redundancy. Spacex care more about costs and payload, I think the sweet spot is somewhere in between
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 23 dienām
@Ja Gil will see. NASA has certain threshold for reliability. I don't think they care if it is achived by abort system or by reliable and proven vehicle
Ja Gil
Ja Gil Pirms 23 dienām
​@Adam Řežábek yep and as they planned to build and reuse hundreds of them there will be accidents. Murphy's law. NASA won't let this happen anytime soon if landing problem = death
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 23 dienām
lol. This test had nothing to do with final Starship. This is like saying "this car isn't reliable. They should add abort system. Look it twice failed as protoype while testing"
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H2ydrogen Pirms 24 dienām
Simplicity is strength - always!
animal garden
animal garden Pirms 25 dienām
what abut the death with I think it was Apollo 1 I'm not sure which mission it was, but I think it was 1
animal garden
animal garden Pirms 23 dienām
@PaštikaMaster thx
PaštikaMaster
PaštikaMaster Pirms 23 dienām
Crew of Apollo 1 didn't die at launch, they died while testing the capsule. It happened because there was 100% oxygen atmosphere (that's flammable no no) and spark ignited it.
Viner Lives
Viner Lives Pirms 25 dienām
like puting a ejection in a car so that u don't die in event of a crash
Harald Grønvold
Harald Grønvold Pirms 26 dienām
If Musk says it on record, you can be sure he's done the math. Fewer components win every time!
Andre XX
Andre XX Pirms 26 dienām
No abort system - didn't they try something like that on the Titanic?
Juan Scott
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Vance Gilbert
Vance Gilbert Pirms 27 dienām
It's actually a pretty good argument to have a robotic astronaut for the first few trials out in space; if you want to have something that can report what went wrong, it would be best done with a test dummy with redundant records all over it's body, than rely on an astronaut to come back in a complete body.
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 23 dienām
something like Blue Origin did with New Shepard recently?
JuaniX
JuaniX Pirms 27 dienām
Rewatched! It's always great to review facts! Thanks, Tim!
INnovation UPdates
INnovation UPdates Pirms 27 dienām
Why don't traditional air craft have abort systems. Because, 1 reason,. It's reusable & for the most part carrying extra weight 98% of the time & not use it sounds follish. But still good to have in the future when cost go down. But for air planes, we been should of had that system.
Daniel Smith
Daniel Smith Pirms 28 dienām
I would absolutely fly on Starship, even on it's "first" crewed mission. But then again, I don't fear death. Not only because I'm 66 years old and have had a great life, but more importantly, my "eternal" salvation is assured through my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ
This Monstrosity
This Monstrosity Pirms 15 dienām
It would be a badass story for grandkids to tell them you were eon the first crewed starship!
Andre XX
Andre XX Pirms 26 dienām
Oh heck, they hang out here too.
Bad Robot
Bad Robot Pirms 28 dienām
All I can say is I wouldn't want to be on the Starship that blows up in flight, as at least one will.
Carlos Malave
Carlos Malave Pirms 28 dienām
Space elevator anyone???
Cake64
Cake64 Pirms 28 dienām
If there's anything we should have learned from the Columbia disaster, Challenger disaster... Every airline crash in history... the Titanic, it's that it doesn't matter how fail-proof we think it is, unless it's 100% reliable, there *WILL* be failures eventually. If SpaceX starts launching dozens of people on starships, without any escape system, then the Shuttle disasters happened for nothing.
Adam Řežábek
Adam Řežábek Pirms 23 dienām
Shuttle disasters didn't happen for nothing. SpaceX learned couple important thing: 1) don't put crew on side of rocket, there is falling ice 2) Don't glue heatshield tiles (bolt them) 3) Don't use SRBs 4) and most generally: test vehicle uncrewed hunderts times, not zero times
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Zenvoid Pirms 29 dienām
just revert to an old savefile
BoostOnly
BoostOnly Pirms 29 dienām
take a shot every time he says order of magnitude LOL
Brandon Cai
Brandon Cai Pirms Mēneša
24:52 'WELL, TECHNICALLY, IT DID LAND... JUST NOT IN ONE PIECE'
Kyle Brown
Kyle Brown Pirms Mēneša
I mean even if it had an abort system, it would still need to propulsively land (parachutes wouldn't cut it for the big capsule you'd need for the 50 odd people)
Ayush Jaiswal
Ayush Jaiswal Pirms Mēneša
I would obviously like a travel with a rocket 🚀 either it has or not an abort system ! Well I just want to sit on a freakin' rocket !
scharkalvin
scharkalvin Pirms Mēneša
Helicopters use propulsive landing, and that has worked out. (Of course they can usually land via autorotation if the engine fails). The Russians likely had a few more fatal flights that have officially kept secret, but some details of which have been leaked.
Critical Event
Critical Event Pirms Mēneša
This thing is supposed to replace airliners now. Like you're ever going to be allowed to shoot ICBMs at population centers while subjecting passengers to 25Gs.
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Michael Deierhoi
Michael Deierhoi Pirms Mēneša
This video came out a year ago and it is safe to say that whatever Space X did not include in the plan at that time is under revision currently. Who knows what Starship will look like a year or 2 from now when a working model is finalized.
Wiley Pittman
Wiley Pittman Pirms Mēneša
What if each astronaught had a bullet proof glass bubble surrounding their seats, with a parachute attached
Yves
Yves Pirms Mēneša
That 0.5% succesfull abort made the difference in between death and life. I go for an abort system.
Benny BooBoo Bear
Benny BooBoo Bear Pirms Mēneša
5%**
Billy Dema Justia Wahid
at the end, if they wanna make rockets as safe as planes... don't ever make an abort system. Thank you so much for making me full of knowledge without paying anything.
planetsector9
planetsector9 Pirms Mēneša
One thing this video fails to factor in is the sheer number of launches and reentries a fully crewed and operational Starship is expected to have - far more than the total amount of crewed spaceflight missions in history presented in the grid chart.
Eric R
Eric R Pirms Mēneša
Does NASA’s predicted safety model take into account human errors?
Schnepflegend 7
Schnepflegend 7 Pirms Mēneša
The lunar starship could use its lunar landing engines to abort off of the super heavy booster.
brianchan8
brianchan8 Pirms 27 dienām
@Schnepflegend 7 yea it is possible but it is probably going to blow up
Schnepflegend 7
Schnepflegend 7 Pirms 27 dienām
@brianchan8 It could also fire at sea level so it can possible do it like he said a vacuum optimized engine can fire at sea level but it won't as efficient.
brianchan8
brianchan8 Pirms 29 dienām
It is Vacuum optimised so it may work, but it is probably just going to blow up
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Tanagool Yenjai
Tanagool Yenjai Pirms Mēneša
starship will not use for ascend with crew, it's will use for transport fuel from earth to startport and from starport to Moon and Mars
Fernando Rapetti
Fernando Rapetti Pirms Mēneša
There's also the fact that they want the starship to be able to carry a lot of people. 100 people was cited at a time, but i don't know if that number is still on the table. Even if there are 50 people on board, that would be a very large abort module, big rockets and lots of fuel. But i don't think that they will be allowed to carry anywhere near that many people until it's proven to be extremely safe, so it could have some kind of smaller abort system for fewer people until it reaches that kind of reliability.
Ken Fretwell
Ken Fretwell Pirms Mēneša
Excellent
Samy Roberge
Samy Roberge Pirms Mēneša
Redundacy of Falcon 9 engines requires that they deeply searched eliminated any systematical failure that could lead to events causing ALL engines failing from the same cause (common modes, that for instance caused the Ariane 501 loss)
Chandan Gudivada
Chandan Gudivada Pirms Mēneša
yeah, I got the same doubt a few days back.
teatowel11
teatowel11 Pirms Mēneša
Starship _is_ an abort system... For earth
Benny BooBoo Bear
Benny BooBoo Bear Pirms Mēneša
I lol’ed
Lee Of Lincoln
Lee Of Lincoln Pirms Mēneša
Hello Tim, Not sure if you’ll see this but I’d like to congratulate you on producing such an amazing post. Excellent research, clear explanations and confident presentation. You rock, man!
Robi-chan
Robi-chan Pirms Mēneša
the star ship is the aport system....
H S
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Yaxin Dong
Yaxin Dong Pirms Mēneša
The only abort system, I need the parashoot. Ok enough jokes. They just need to destroy/break apart the oil tanks and land the top of starship(main) and land the shuttle.
Jin Sung
Jin Sung Pirms Mēneša
cargo ship
Jantmarbot
Jantmarbot Pirms Mēneša
YES
ryan g
ryan g Pirms Mēneša
"wings are a flaw for flying" tell that to birds and airplanes stupid
bayu rahmat rahayu
bayu rahmat rahayu Pirms Mēneša
You could just seperate the srbs and then detach the shuttle
Gumpreeeng Time wisang
Gumpreeeng Time wisang Pirms Mēneša
He is right
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Jeffroid TV Pirms Mēneša
Better to HAVE ONE and Not Need It... Than the other way round!!!
aakburns
aakburns Pirms Mēneša
It really seems that NASA was just not good at engineering.
Jantmarbot
Jantmarbot Pirms Mēneša
if you see all the flights of rockets designed from engineers of NASA or only parts of space stations, and in the 99 percent of the programs they need more budget, they do what they can with the budget they have and in apollo, with practically inlimited budget, with only a little of experience, they done historical landings
Ranjith M
Ranjith M Pirms Mēneša
Space shuttle dangers one of them is the SRB's
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