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SLS VS Starship: Why does SLS still exist?! 

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NASA just announced the lunar landers for the Artemis program and to everyone’s surprise, SpaceX’s MASSIVE Starship is actually one of the landers NASA chose alongside Blue Origin and Dynetics.
And this is bringing up a lot of questions, some of which we’ll answer in my next video, “Should NASA just cancel SLS and use Starship and / or other commercial launchers for Artemis?”. But today I think we need to settle a lot of debates here first about these two rockets and now more than ever, it’s time we truly pit them head to head.
Part II - Artemis VS Apollo HERE - lvlocal.info/down/video/cIWXmaagp6uagas.html
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00:00 - Intro
05:50 - What Makes a Vehicle a Super Heavy Lift Launcher
09:00 - The History of SLS and Orion
18:05 - The Progress and Inventory of SLS/Orion and Starship
27:30 - The Philosophies of Starship and SLS
34:55 - Starship VS SLS
41:50 - Conclusion
Article version [with sources] - everydayastronaut.com/sls-vs-starship/
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Robin Blankenship
Robin Blankenship Pirms 11 Stundām
At least we can be assured that all future NASA projects will be appropriately WOKE and polygender sensitive and BLM compliant, etc. Will the rockets work? Who cares, as long as we are socially progressive.
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Through the Quantum
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8:13 you got one of your facts wrong - BFR doesn't stand for "Big Falcon Rocket", it stands for "Big F*cking Rocket"
Joseph Corbett
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It is a great video.
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Andrzej SQ9PKW
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it is so outdated just by 9 months later...
Hing Yee
Hing Yee Pirms 4 dienām
Thanks and respect !
Pedro Henrique Menegoli Tamaso
need a update
David Bloomfield
David Bloomfield Pirms 6 dienām
Great video on how horribly inefficient gov programs are.
blackcoffee
blackcoffee Pirms 6 dienām
Were going hard. Best to ready the space mining gear, quickly!
Stuart Brown
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Brilliant Really enjoyed this Tim & Team Stuart in Ireland
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SpaceX is totally going to make enterprise from Star Trek SHINY ROCKET GOOD
SCE2AUX
SCE2AUX Pirms 7 dienām
Aesthetically speaking...SLS is a very pretty rocket.
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Why have two ? One will work
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paulmd2010 Pirms 9 dienām
Dude, your channel is the absolute best on the internet, and its not even close. Go team space!!!
Philip Pleiss
Philip Pleiss Pirms 9 dienām
A bit late to comment, but I asked almost this exact question in a space enthusiast forum. It was like waving a steak in front of a bunch of starving hyenas. They got MAAD. Then, without replying to a single comment, the post got locked and eventually banned. By mods. Mods who worked at NASA, but were Boeing contractors, spewing platitudes like "rising tides lift all boats" and "we're all in this together" blah blah blah. Mentioning anything like Boeing's relationship with the people who approve NASA's budget, Senator Shelby's biggest financial donors, or the billions of dollars spent with no progress results in immediate flaming followed by bans.
bigsid1984
bigsid1984 Pirms 10 dienām
In other words the Saturn 5 pretty good rocket
Octopus Goodness
Octopus Goodness Pirms 11 dienām
Nasa - Make sure it doesn't blow up BEFORE we test it. SpaceX- Blow it up til it doesn't anymore.
Octopus Goodness
Octopus Goodness Pirms 11 dienām
"In case you have been living under a rock."
William Smalley
William Smalley Pirms 11 dienām
this my fav video
Tombibiche Jr
Tombibiche Jr Pirms 12 dienām
Sous titre en français svp !
John jr. Radziwon
John jr. Radziwon Pirms 13 dienām
I retired from NASA shorty before the Shuttle program was still being used but still watch closely what NASA is doing now. I am pleased to see the progress that is being made using private companies.
Walter Lopez
Walter Lopez Pirms 13 dienām
Hi Tim. Great job on the content and presentation! I would love to see an update on Apr 30, 2021. One year progress comparison.
дрюно стоп
дрюно стоп Pirms 13 dienām
22:00
Shin Chan
Shin Chan Pirms 14 dienām
28:34 that guy had a very long day in the control room
dowetwork4192
dowetwork4192 Pirms 14 dienām
My man, they just charged 330 million for a launch for lunar gateway, same excuse as charging more for half the launches As ula in Air Force contract? What is it
Shadowfax2121
Shadowfax2121 Pirms 14 dienām
Tim, you talked about that tractor and got me all invested in farming gear now!~
Cory Crandell
Cory Crandell Pirms 14 dienām
now feb 2021... SN8 and 9 have flown... with 10 on the pad. you just can not keep up with SpaceX...
Gabor Rajnai
Gabor Rajnai Pirms 15 dienām
We cant be sure that Starship will actually ever work. It wasn't tested in hypersonic flight regimes. NASA should have a contingency plan.
EimajOzear
EimajOzear Pirms 13 dienām
National Team and Dynetics have lunar lander proposals and ULA and Blue Origin have launch vehicles to support them. That's contingency enough, surely?
Elias Puolakka
Elias Puolakka Pirms 15 dienām
It really is boeing vs spacex. Nasa isn't building rockets they're just a customer thats offering funding for both systems. In the case of sls boeing is building a product for nasa in the case of starship spacex is offering a launch service to nasa.
Michael Coffee
Michael Coffee Pirms 16 dienām
Why do Coke and Pepsi both exist?
Hal Nordmann
Hal Nordmann Pirms 16 dienām
IMHO, the reason why NASA seems to innovate so little and is so slow is not because they can waste money - it is beacuse they can't. With their funding, they can barely sustain their current programs, even less trying something new. Innovation, optimization? Too risky, can't afford it. SpaceX can blow up rockets in the name of science, NASA has to beg for every bit of funding. It sounds absurd not being able to afford cost-optimization, and it is a shame that it is reality at NASA. Simply put, for SpaceX, failure is an option. For NASA, it is not. Also, I blame cost-plus contracts forced on NASA.
Stuart Coutts
Stuart Coutts Pirms 17 dienām
The Saturn V was a beast... shoulda revamped that instead of the sls
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Stefs Engineering
Stefs Engineering Pirms 17 dienām
crazy what has been accomplished by SpaceX regarding starship in the few months since this video released.
spencer Jensen
spencer Jensen Pirms 18 dienām
I love the Iowa showing!! :)
MuyMuy MG
MuyMuy MG Pirms 19 dienām
34:55
Alberto R.
Alberto R. Pirms 19 dienām
Your videos are great and very informative, but you should stop chuckling all the time when you speak. It's very annoying.
Cristiano Lo Medico
Cristiano Lo Medico Pirms 20 dienām
After this video I definitely love Iowa
Whiteness Envy
Whiteness Envy Pirms 20 dienām
Spacex should use flux pinning to stop Starship in bellyflop above an electrically charged pad. The cold belly from sloshed liquid oxygen/methane on ceramic heat shield tiles can create a superconductor quantum locking situation that cushions, slows, and stops the rocket in mid air. Tim ask Elon if they have considered this. Just imagine seeing Starship (BFR) skydiving down to the pad, slowing, stopping, floating, and rotating like the actual BFG!
Jacob Sawyer
Jacob Sawyer Pirms 21 dienas
I still love that intro
stoneeh
stoneeh Pirms 22 dienām
Starship will cost 2 million $ to launch, SLS will cost 2 billion $ per launch. That's the difference between government work and private enterprise, everybody.
EimajOzear
EimajOzear Pirms 17 dienām
Even if you use the most optimistic prices for steel ($0.60/kg), methalox ($0.20/kg) and the 34 Raptors ($250k each?), you get just shy of $10mil per Starship stack (SS + SH). That's just the raw materials. You also have labour, launch pads, insurance, etc leftover to pay. The $2mil figure is complete speculation and even if we assume it's accurate, it would require all of the raw materials (optimistically priced, too) to decrease in costs by 5x in order to just break even!
FalloutPlays
FalloutPlays Pirms 22 dienām
Pretty amazing the support Elon gives this channel
Rhys Morgan
Rhys Morgan Pirms 22 dienām
i personally call starship and superheavy the starship stack to be less confusing
Joshua Major
Joshua Major Pirms 22 dienām
Just started watching yer vids...awesome...now i am sucked down the rabbit hole...yay space
Light For Japan Productions
Where is the "next video" that Tim mentioned several times? I searched the channel carefully and couldn't find anything of the sort.
Light For Japan Productions
@Hailey Hernandez I see that the video "Artemis vs. Apollo" is considered Part II, but it's not about whether NASA should cancel SLS and just use commercial launchers instead (see 0:18), so I thought there was some other video I was missing.
Hailey Hernandez
Hailey Hernandez Pirms 11 dienām
It's in the description lol
Bob Daye
Bob Daye Pirms 23 dienām
Neither rocket exists. But I do believe SLS will be cancelled unless SpaceX cannot deliver the Gateway to lunar orbit.
Howard Xian
Howard Xian Pirms 23 dienām
NASA should just sell the whole SLS program to China or India to cut lost.
EimajOzear
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wade woehrmann
wade woehrmann Pirms 23 dienām
From Iowa so was Kirk. :)
Just Headdie
Just Headdie Pirms 23 dienām
Hey, any chance of a "1 year on" of this video? especially with SpaceX continuing to use the "Poke it until it explodes" testing method
Donald Christensen
Donald Christensen Pirms 23 dienām
Love this video! Love your analogy of offering to sell a modern tractor to a 1800's farmer that wants to buy a plow that's draw by a horse. It puts it more into perspective. I can now forgive NASA for not instantly jumping onboard with Starship.
goatofpower
goatofpower Pirms 23 dienām
Because giving jobs to certain states is more important than real progress in space?
Tiny Rick
Tiny Rick Pirms 23 dienām
SN 9 Just launched yesterday. they are unbeleivably fast
ralphss434
ralphss434 Pirms 8 dienām
I live 30 miles away and Saw it in person and that was just with 3 raptor engines
José Da Franca Taborda
José Da Franca Taborda Pirms 24 dienām
Can you redo this video when elon presents sl16? PLZ, its such an indept video, so smart.. and starship evolved so much since this vid
RC:1136 Darman
RC:1136 Darman Pirms 24 dienām
Capitalism for the win, I guess.
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Ceyhun ay
Ceyhun ay Pirms 26 dienām
I'm 6 minutes into the video and you didn't truly start explaining anything regardingthe title. I don't mean hate, I just want to point out why you might have so much dislike despite the subject matter being an interesting one.
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Keith Hopkins Pirms 24 dienām
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max mustermann Pirms 27 dienām
ULA CEO: orange rocket=bad Delta IV: nobody likes me
Fabian Seewald
Fabian Seewald Pirms 28 dienām
sry one thing is the best......... at least until there is the next thing
hi im bittu
hi im bittu Pirms 28 dienām
Hey Tim.. I think its time to revisit this video and make a new one... Now a days there are only live streams around.. Thanks..
Heart Rock
Heart Rock Pirms Mēneša
32:57 me laughing in G phrygian dominant in 7/4 time signature 🤣🤣
Lugul banda
Lugul banda Pirms Mēneša
nasa isnt even be able to build the most powerfull rocket they had again and thats the Saturn 5 wich is bigger then both tiny rockets he talks here about...
Tozl
Tozl Pirms 26 dienām
Starship is more powerfull and bigger than Saturn 5
fritz eder
fritz eder Pirms Mēneša
In Gov or University projects, 90% of the time goes into applying for funds and reporting. Really, when I saw SN - wings, I thought it is a joke! But than, after your interview with EM, I started thinking how EM is thinking. I may say, it influeced my life in the most positive way.
Daniel Rose
Daniel Rose Pirms Mēneša
I would say the probability that the Nazis / separate advanced humans have antigravity vehicles and other secret technologies is 99.9% likely. But....
DarkTheFailure
DarkTheFailure Pirms Mēneša
Ah yes the nation who couldn't figure out how to make a rocket go up for a long time made anti gravity
Eric R
Eric R Pirms Mēneša
Orange man bad; sorry, I mean’t orange rocket bad.
Kerbal X
Kerbal X Pirms Mēneša
If your not team space your not a real space fan
Davidz Kitchen Tips
Davidz Kitchen Tips Pirms Mēneša
Awesome !!!
Warren Bosch
Warren Bosch Pirms Mēneša
Superb presentation! Thank you!!!
Thunder Bird
Thunder Bird Pirms Mēneša
its cool thinking of a space x and nasa space race
dyerarch
dyerarch Pirms Mēneša
I saw Sputnik. At 74, my goal and my hope is to live long enough to see the beginnings of human population of the Moon!
Shivam Badoni
Shivam Badoni Pirms Mēneša
those space cowboys are landing boosters boy.
Alfredo Silva
Alfredo Silva Pirms Mēneša
@Everyday Astronaut, thanks for this very elaborate & comprehensive video. Loved it!
The PNolandS
The PNolandS Pirms Mēneša
NGL, I am a little annoyed that we (humans) figured out 50 years ago how to get to the moon and back with a single launch, and now we’re talking about possibly 3 launches for one landing when we now have significantly more powerful rockets than the Saturn V.
Juan Channel
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Who will wil Nasa rocket The Big F***** Rocket
Heintje Kudell
Heintje Kudell Pirms Mēneša
no doubt ,Nasa can be so happy and proud to have spacex near by , sls=senceless loss of source
XspopX
XspopX Pirms Mēneša
This video didn't need to happen. They should launch at the same time and race to Mars to see who's better B)
Alan Morris
Alan Morris Pirms Mēneša
Informative and enjoyable videos to watch. 👍
Quint Van Giessen
Quint Van Giessen Pirms Mēneša
Why doesn’t Elon musk try and build an SSTO
DarkTheFailure
DarkTheFailure Pirms Mēneša
Because it's very difficult. Go Tim's other video on SSTO, very well explained why it hasn't been used and why its very hard. IRL is much much harder then kerbal
Адепт Пустоты
I don't know exactly, but starship will be kind of SSTO, but I'm not sure
Filip Woliński
Filip Woliński Pirms Mēneša
SLS: super planned and thought rocket program SpaceX: haha KSP irl go brrrr
Montpup
Montpup Pirms Mēneša
Why do you hate ULA?
Everyday Astronaut
Everyday Astronaut Pirms Mēneša
??? I don’t? What does this video have to do with ULA? 😂
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scott baber
scott baber Pirms Mēneša
SLS is and always has been a jobs program for ex Shuttle employees.
Kelly Dunnigan
Kelly Dunnigan Pirms Mēneša
NASA used ONE rocket in the1960s! To go to the moon,1960s!!!!! Now in the 2020s they need at LEAST TWO??? How is that??? I say this. GIVE ME just $60,000 bucks and I’ll get NASA back on track in a year and to the moon with one rocket by 2027. The problem NASA has is to much OLD blood, closed thinking, lack of out of the box thought and most importantly way way way to much lack of accountability. If you start firing people and more importantly contractors for cost over runs and lack of productivity you won’t believe how fast things will get turned around. I can turn NASA around in a year. America is the greatest country on the planet it’s also an embarrassment when it comes to government funding. I know I worked at NASA in CLE for awhile. What I saw really impressed me at times and was a joke at others. Pas this on if your not afraid of losing your job and if you want to see Americans on the moon in 6-7 years and don’t if ya like to watch America fail.
Brad ogle
Brad ogle Pirms Mēneša
So in a nutshell what your saying is if we depend solely on NASA to get to the moon it’s probably going to be around 2030 and billions over budget because it takes a long time to find ways to funnel some of those billions back to our politicians. Even then it will probably be canceled because of politicians. How much time and how much money did you say was wasted in the last attempt . NASA ( Never A Strait Answer ) oh yea they passed a law. That makes me feel better. Go SpaceX !! Name one thing the government can do better than private industry. That’s correct NOTHING. 😎🇺🇸🇺🇸
Brad ogle
Brad ogle Pirms Mēneša
@Andy Alexis SLS rocket core stage test probably the biggest test at nasa in 50 years ends with MCF. These results are devastating to the program as far as he public is concerned . NASA is going to run out of time and money. I’m a huge advocate of space exploration but it wouldn’t surprise me to see a new administration defund ,cancel completely or decide on a new program for space exploration. The optics of the last 50 years don’t bode well for NASA. Lack of real achievements. Sure we have a space station but that’s 250miles away. While watching documentaries astronauts aren’t even in agreement that it’s safe to pass through the radiation belt between here and the moon nor can they agree on wether or not you can even see stars from outer space or the moons surface. NASA has a PR problem. NASA needs full disclosure no more secrets and if their aren’t any then they had better address the appearance because they are going to need public support along with our dollars. Thanks for hearing me out I actually do value your opinion. ✌️😎🇺🇸🇺🇸
Andy Alexis
Andy Alexis Pirms Mēneša
@Brad ogle what i mean is that there are some things that are simply too costly to work on, yet yield little, but much needed, results. NASA can sink millions or billions into seemingly insignificant projects, something that companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin won't ever do if they wish to profit off their work. for example, NASA perfected the process of taking oxygen out of the air to be used as fuel, and now SpaceX is saving money by using those exact machines that NASA once used to produce LOX at LC 39A. I can go on and on; space exercising machines, space toilets, interplanetary communication, bringing samples back from other celestial bodies, etc.
Brad ogle
Brad ogle Pirms Mēneša
@Andy Alexis by the way that sounds like something someone from NASA would say. Task private companies with developing critical space tech. They’ll do it on time within budget constraints. NASA doesn’t know what economically viable even means. And are you telling me it’s not even possible for private industry to do what nasa does? Tell that to SpaceX and the like. ✌️😎🇺🇸🇺🇸
Andy Alexis
Andy Alexis Pirms Mēneša
one thing that NASA can do better than private companies is developing critical space tech that is not economically viable, or possible, to private companies. basically, NASA discovers new ideas and private companies refine it.
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No one is orange rocket good shiny rocket bad
iii Wake
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'lets just send mkbhd with his 8k cool cameras'
Insight Of the ages
Insight Of the ages Pirms Mēneša
Communism vs Capitalism. I will take a free market any day. This us a lesson in liberty and independence if there ever was one.
Keith Hopkins
Keith Hopkins Pirms 24 dienām
What are u dumb 💀 communism 🤣🤣🤣 this is dumb af I'm sorry The private companies rely on NASA
Jacon Johnsonter
Jacon Johnsonter Pirms Mēneša
Without knowing much about both.. i will say after watcjing the engine test today in 2021 Jan 16th.. i will say the SLS is VASTLY more powerfull than spaceship lol
Harsh Sharma
Harsh Sharma Pirms Mēneša
'without knowing much about both'- that exactly proves why you think SLS is vastly more powerful. Starship which is being tested right now is just the second stage, the superheavy which would be the first stage is under development and would be tested soon in 2021. If you watched the video, you'll know that you're extremely wrong.
Sketch
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SLS = Spending Lots of $'s
binaryalgorithm
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Agile vs. waterfall applied to rockets.
Ed Soniat
Ed Soniat Pirms Mēneša
This is a great video. The exact content I was looking for. Iowa is cool and so are those tractors.
Sir Jeffels
Sir Jeffels Pirms Mēneša
Can you make an updated video?
Rod Anderson
Rod Anderson Pirms Mēneša
It is probably just me but you sound more and more like a Boeing PR agent. I wonder if you really believe the SLS will make it to the Moon. I also wonder if you really believe Blue Origin's "New Glenn" will ever make orbit -- or even actually exists.
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